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beardbuster84
King of Spring
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 pm Posts: 790 Location: Westmoreland co. Va
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Baiting in Virginia
What's everyone's input on legalizing baiting in Virginia; the pro's an con's of baiting they allow baiting in Maryland and also North Carolina.
_________________ "If the good Lord is willing and the creeks don't rise." Hank Williams
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:33 pm |
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caddis
King of Spring
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:38 pm Posts: 543 Location: Augusta Co, Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Beardbuster84..are you talkin about baiting Bear or Deer here in Va?
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:49 pm |
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beardbuster84
King of Spring
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 pm Posts: 790 Location: Westmoreland co. Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Deer or bear.
_________________ "If the good Lord is willing and the creeks don't rise." Hank Williams
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:11 pm |
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Neill
King of Spring
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:30 pm Posts: 988 Location: Lexington
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I'm firmly opposed to it.....it's lazy slob hunting that reflects poorly on all hunters. I hunted in eastern NC swamps and killed plenty deer without baiting or dogs. I heard all the bellyaching about how deer can't be killed in the swamps/pine thickets without bait or dogs, and it's just not true. It takes a little bit of effort, and plenty of guys put that effort forward.
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:52 pm |
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BROOKTROUT
2 Year Old
Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:00 am Posts: 59
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Beardbuster84, what is your stance?
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:20 pm |
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caddis
King of Spring
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:38 pm Posts: 543 Location: Augusta Co, Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I am not fore baiting either bear or deer here in Va...just my 2 cents worth...
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:47 pm |
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caddis
King of Spring
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:38 pm Posts: 543 Location: Augusta Co, Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I forgot to add...not baiting Turkeys either...
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:50 pm |
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TScottW99
Boss Gobbler
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:59 pm Posts: 2851 Location: Roanoke
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I'm against baiting as well.
Bear - Virginia does not have enough room to be baiting bears. Baiting would lead to bears coming to houses and cities for a quick meal and some real serious problem bears. On top of that I would much rather go after them with some woodsmanship, knowledge and know how instead of watching a can of sweet cakes or rotting meat.
Deer - We are doing our best to keep disease out of our deer herd. I applaud Virginia for that. Baiting has lead to higher disease in deer herds. See above about woodsmanship, knowledge and know how.
_________________ "What gets us jangly is the suddenness of everything. We hunt turkeys because we want to hear them gobble, watch them strut and all that, and we hunt them with shotguns because we want to be close to them when those things occur." - Jim Spencer
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:57 pm |
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beardbuster84
King of Spring
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 pm Posts: 790 Location: Westmoreland co. Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
My stance would be absoluty not on all bird game species i don't have the bears to deal with. In the part of the state where i live, I can see where tsott was saying attracting them would bring them into residental areas, as for deer i wouldn't mind seeing it get passed i don't do the whole deer an dog thing deer are pushed so hard here in the county were i stay, there only moving late.
_________________ "If the good Lord is willing and the creeks don't rise." Hank Williams
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Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:55 pm |
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Bird Dog
King of Spring
Joined: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:50 pm Posts: 2650 Location: central Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I hope I never see it.
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:51 am |
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tut
King of Spring
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:28 am Posts: 1181 Location: Hamilton, va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Would be really interesting to know how many deer currently in the trophy books in all the states were taken over bait. I know in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas baiting is legal and many many outfitters employ that technique in order to kill trophy deer for their clients. Ditto for most of the trophy bucks killed in Canada. Guess in some folks minds it comes down to money and ethics. What is the difference between growing a wildlife foodplot and putting out corn or minerals? Difference is perceived ethics. Not ethical in many states to shoot over bait/minerals, but there is no problem in hunting over a footplot which was put there only to draw in wildlife to kill same. I think to be truly ethical in every sense of the word, you probably shouldn't be allowed to shoot deer over a footplot grown exclusively for game animals. This of course doesn't apply to corn/alfalfa etc which was grown for agricultural use. Appreciate thoughts on the above. It is an interesting discussion indeed. PS. Folks will find this article quite interesting and check out that pile of corn: http://ahunterstales.com/2010/03/24/the ... ood-plots/
_________________ "Turkey's have no curiosity"
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:34 am |
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beardbuster84
King of Spring
Joined: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 pm Posts: 790 Location: Westmoreland co. Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Very well put tut..
_________________ "If the good Lord is willing and the creeks don't rise." Hank Williams
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Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:41 pm |
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Neill
King of Spring
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 8:30 pm Posts: 988 Location: Lexington
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
They're are many distinctions that can be made between foodplots and baiting. I don't hunt over either but I have no objection to food plots for those that want to put the time, effort and expense into growing them.
-the amount of an attractant that a food plot becomes is directly proportional to their size, not so with baiting. For a food plot to regularly attract deer over any length of time, it has to be large enough to grow the food. That typically means acres. Deer approach foodplots as they would any other natural food source. One feeder can be refilled regularly and attract deer all season. And they come running like a dinner bell. Unlike a foodflot it is not a habitat enhancement. You can pinpoint deer to within bow range by baiting. And studies have shown that baiting degrades natural habitat because there is typically an unatural browse line within the vicinity of feeders.
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Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:55 am |
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STRIKER1300
King of Spring
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2005 7:33 pm Posts: 938 Location: BIG LICK VA.
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
I don't have any food plots on the property that I hunt but 5 years ago the land that adjoins the land where I hunt was sold. Its 170 acres and the new guys started planting a big food plot the year they bought it. I am all for the food plots for deer and the game cameras tell whats there. I've been hunting this property for 25 years and my permanant tree stand is 80 yards from the fence line. Those guys who have planted the food plot would die if they knew the bucks that I have taken that have crossed their field and jumped the fence onto the property that I hunt. So I guess I'm all for food plots.
Brian
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:02 pm |
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caddis
King of Spring
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:38 pm Posts: 543 Location: Augusta Co, Va
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Re: Baiting in Virginia
Striker...I would send the new land owners a Christmas card and not tell them why
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Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:24 pm |
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